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Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 7 Months ago
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Hail Mary, full of grace
the Lord is with you
Blessed are you among women
And blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us sinners
Now and at the hour of our death
Amen.
Many Christian sects argue that " Hail Mary is a mere creation of the Catholic Church." and " Hail Mary is not biblical." I do agree with their first argument that this prayer is a mere creation of the Church BUT not the second one. Here are the proofs:
1. Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you
The angel Gabriel said this to Mother Mary (c.f. Luke 1:28)
2. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus
St. Elizabeth, Mary's cousin said this when she visited her (c.f. Luke 1:42)
3. Holy Mary, mother of God
Again see Luke 1:28, Mary, being the Mother of God, can be associated with St. Elizabeth's Salutation, again in Luke 1:42.
4. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death
Being the 'Greatest of the Saints', Mother Mary can intercede for our petitions (c.f. Wedding in Cana in John 2, look how Mary interceded for the newly weds to Jesus to solve the problem)
This prayer dates back from the fourth century! Even some protestants (even Luther) admitted their devotion to her. (see Time Magazine, dated March 21, 2005 and some sermons of Luther on Mary) So there is NO WAY that the others may argue that Hail Mary is not biblical.
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "What does the Bible say about the virgin Mary?"
Answer: Mary the mother of Jesus was described by God as “highly favored” (Luke 1:28). The phrase “highly favored” comes from a single Greek word, which essentially means “much grace.” Mary received God’s grace.
Grace is “unmerited favor,” meaning that something we receive despite the fact that we do not deserve it. Mary needed grace from God just as the rest of us do. Mary herself understood this fact, as she declared in Luke 1:47, “. . . and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior. . .”
Mary recognized that she needed the Savior. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).
Mary did not have an “immaculate conception.” The Bible doesn’t suggest Mary’s birth was anything but a normal human birth. Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:34-38), but the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary is unbiblical. Matthew 1:25, speaking of Joseph, declares, “But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave Him the name Jesus.”
The word “until” clearly indicates that Joseph and Mary did have sexual union after Jesus was born. Joseph and Mary had several children together after Jesus was born. Jesus had four half-brothers: James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas (Matthew 13:55). Jesus also had half-sisters, although they are not named or numbered (Matthew 13:55-56). God blessed and graced Mary by giving her several children, which in that culture was the clearest indication of God’s blessing on a woman.
One time when Jesus was speaking, a woman in the crowd proclaimed, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed” (Luke 11:27). There was never a better opportunity for Jesus to declare that Mary was indeed worthy of praise and adoration. What was Jesus’ response? “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it” (Luke 11:28). To Jesus, obedience to God’s Word was more important than being the woman who gave birth to the Savior.
Nowhere in Scripture does Jesus, or anyone else, direct any praise, glory, or adoration towards Mary. Elizabeth, Mary’s relative, praised Mary in Luke 1:42-44, but her praise is based on the blessing of giving birth to the Messiah. It was not based on any inherent glory in Mary.
Mary was present at the cross when Jesus died (John 19:25). Mary was also with the apostles on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:14). However, Mary is never mentioned again after Acts chapter 1. The apostles did not give Mary a prominent role. Mary’s death is not recorded in the Bible. Nothing is said about Mary ascending to heaven or having an exalted role there. As the earthly mother of Jesus, Mary should be respected, but she is not worthy of our worship or adoration.
The Bible nowhere indicates that Mary can hear our prayers or that she can mediate for us with God. Jesus is our only advocate and mediator in heaven (1 Timothy 2:5). If offered worship, adoration, or prayers, Mary would say the same as the angels: “Worship God!” (See Revelation 19:10; 22:9.) Mary herself sets the example for us, directing her worship, adoration, and praise to God alone: “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for He has been mindful of the humble state of His servant. From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me — holy is His name” (Luke 1:46-49).
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "What is the Assumption of Mary?"
Answer: The Assumption of Mary (or the Assumption of the Virgin) is a doctrine which teaches that after the mother of Jesus died, she was resurrected, glorified, and taken bodily to heaven. The word assumption is taken from a Latin word meaning “to take up.” The Assumption of Mary is taught by the Roman Catholic Church and, to a lesser degree, the Eastern Orthodox Church.
The doctrine of the Assumption of Mary had its beginnings in the Byzantine Empire around the 6th Century. An annual feast honoring Mary gradually grew into a commemoration of Mary’s death called the Feast of Dormition (“falling asleep”). As the practice spread to the West, an emphasis was placed on Mary’s resurrection, and the glorification of Mary’s body as well as her soul, and the name of the feast was thereby changed to the Assumption. It is still observed on August 15, as it was in the Middle Ages. The Assumption of Mary was made an official dogma of the Roman Catholic Church in 1950 by Pope Pius XII.
The Bible does record God “assuming” both Enoch and Elijah into Heaven (Genesis 5:24; 2 Kings 2:11). Therefore, it is not impossible that God would have done the same with Mary. It is not wrong to believe that God “assumed” Mary into heaven. The problem is that there is no biblical basis for the Assumption of Mary. The Bible does not record Mary's death or again mention Mary after Acts chapter 1. Rather, the doctrine of the Assumption is the result of lifting Mary to a position comparable to that of her Son. Some Roman Catholics go so far as to teach that Mary was resurrected on the third day, just like Jesus, and that Mary ascended into Heaven, just like Jesus. The New Testament teaches that Jesus was resurrected on the third day (Luke 24:7) and that He ascended bodily into heaven (Acts 1:9). To assume the same thing concerning Mary is to ascribe to her some of the attributes of Christ. While the idea of the Assumption of Mary is not heretical in and of itself; in the Roman Catholic Church, the Assumption of Mary is an important step towards why Mary is venerated, worshipped, adored, and prayed to. To teach the Assumption of Mary is a step toward making her equal to Christ, essentially proclaiming Mary’s deity.
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Last Edit: 2008/12/18 08:11 By Loneman20.
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "Is prayer to saints / Mary Biblical?"
Answer: The issue of Catholics praying to saints is one that is full of confusion. It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that asking saints for their prayers is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for you. However, the practice of many Catholics diverges from official Roman Catholic teaching. Many Catholics do in fact pray directly to saints and/or Mary, asking them for help – instead of asking the saints and/or Mary to intercede with God for help. Whatever the case, whether a saint or Mary is being prayed to, or asked to pray, neither practice has any Biblical basis.
The Bible nowhere instructs believers in Christ to pray to anyone other than God. The Bible nowhere encourages, or even mentions, believers asking individuals in Heaven for their prayers. Why, then, do many Catholic pray to Mary and/or the saints, or request their prayers? Catholics view Mary and saints as "intercessors" before God. They believe that a saint, who is glorified in Heaven, has more "direct access" to God than we do. Therefore, if a saint delivers a prayer to God, it is more effective than us praying to God directly. This concept is blatantly unbiblical. Hebrews 4:16 tells us that we, believers here on earth, can "...approach the throne of grace with confidence..."
1 Timothy 2:5 declares, "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." There is no one else that can mediate with God for us. If Jesus is the ONLY mediator, that indicates Mary and saints cannot be mediators. They cannot mediate our prayer requests to God. Further, the Bible tells us that Jesus Christ Himself is interceding for us before the Father, "Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them" (Hebrews 7:25). With Jesus Himself interceding for us, why would we need Mary or the saints to intercede for us? Who would God listen to more closely than His Son? Romans 8:26-27 describes the Holy Spirit interceding for us. With the 2nd and 3rd members of the Trinity already interceding for us before the Father in Heaven, what possible need could there be to have Mary or the saints interceding for us?
Catholics argue that praying to Mary and the saints is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for you. Let us examine that claim. (1) The Apostle Paul asks other Christians to pray for him in Ephesians 6:19. Many Scriptures describe believers praying for one another (2 Corinthians 1:11; Ephesians 1:16; Philippians 1:19; 2 Timothy 1:3). The Bible nowhere mentions anyone asking for someone in Heaven to pray for them. The Bible nowhere describes anyone in Heaven praying for anyone on earth. (2) The Bible gives absolutely no indication that Mary or the saints can hear our prayers. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Even glorified in Heaven, they are still finite beings with limitations. How could they possibly hear the prayers of millions of people? Whenever the Bible mentions praying to or speaking with the dead, it is in the context of sorcery, witchcraft, necromancy, and divination - activities the Bible strongly condemns (Leviticus 20:27; Deuteronomy 18:10-13). The one instance when a "saint" is spoken to, Samuel in 1 Samuel 28:7-19, Samuel was not exactly happy to be disturbed. It is plainly clear that praying to Mary or the saints is completely different from asking someone here on earth to pray for you. One has a strong Biblical basis, the other has no Biblical basis whatsoever.
God does not answer prayers based on who is praying. God answers prayers based on whether they are asked according to His will (1 John 5:14-15). There is absolutely no basis or need to pray to anyone other than God alone. There is no basis for asking those who are in Heaven to pray for us. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in Heaven has any greater access to God's throne that we do through prayer (Hebrews 4:16).
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "Is worship of saints / Mary Biblical?"
Answer: The Bible is absolutely clear that we are to worship God alone. The only instances of anyone other than God receiving worship in the Bible are false gods, which are Satan and his demons. All followers of the Lord God refuse worship. Peter and the apostles refused to be worshipped (Acts 10:25-26; 14:13-14). The holy angels refuse to be worshipped (Revelation 19:10; 22:9). The response is always the same, "Worship God!"
Roman Catholics attempt to "bypass" these clear Scriptural principles by claiming they do not “worship” Mary or saints, but rather that they only "venerate" Mary and the saints. Using a different word does not change the essence of what is being done. A definition of "venerate" is "to regard with respect or reverence." Nowhere in the Bible are we told to revere anyone but God alone. There is nothing wrong with respecting those faithful Christians who have gone before us (see Hebrews chapter 11). There is nothing wrong with honoring Mary as the earthly mother of Jesus. The Bible describes Mary as "highly favored" by God (Luke 1:28). At the same time, there is no instruction in the Bible to revere those whom have gone to Heaven. We are to follow their example, yes, but worship, revere, or venerate, no!
When forced to admit that they do, in fact, worship Mary, Catholics will claim that they worship God through her, by praising the wonderful creation that God has made. Mary, in their minds, is the most beautiful and wonderful creation of God, and by praising her, they are praising her Creator. For Catholics, this is analogous to directing praise to an artist by praising his sculpture or painting. The problem with this is that God explicitly commands against worshipping Him through created things. We are not to bow down and worship anything in the form of heaven above or earth below (Exodus 20:4-5). Romans 1:25 could not be more clear, "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen." Yes, God has created wonderful and amazing things. Yes, Mary was a godly woman who is worthy of our respect. No, we absolutely are not to worship God "vicariously" by praising things (or people) He has created. Doing so is blatant idolatry.
The major way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by praying to them. As the following article demonstrates, prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-Biblical – praying to saints and Mary. Whether Mary and/or the saints are prayed to, or whether they are petitioned for their prayers – neither practice is Biblical. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone.
Another way Catholics "venerate" Mary and the saints is by creating statues and images of them. Many Catholics use images of Mary and/or the saints as "good luck charms." Any cursory reading of the Bible will reveal this practice as blatant idolatry (Exodus 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 12:12; 1 John 5:21). Rubbing rosary beads is idolatry. Lighting candles before a statue or portrayal of a saint is idolatry. Burying a Joseph statue in hopes of selling your home (and countless other Catholic practices) is idolatry.
The terminology is not the issue. Whether the practice is described as "worship" or "veneration," or any other term, the problem is the same. Any time we ascribe something that belongs to God, to someone else, it is idolatry. The Bible nowhere instructs us to revere, pray to, rely on, or "idolize" anyone other than God. We are to worship God alone. Glory, praise, and honor belong to God alone. Only God is worthy to "...receive glory and honor and power..." (Revelation 4:11). God alone is worthy to receive our worship, adoration, and praise (Nehemiah 9:6; Revelation 15:4).
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My "World" survey and their contribution to us [100% fair percentage](People Choice, Life Mystery and Through History).
God- 90%, Israel- 20%, Jesus Christ- 70%, Christianity- 70%, KJV 1611 Bible- 30%, Baptist- 25%, Fundamentalism- 15%, Great Britain- 45%, America- 55%, Federalism- 15%, Republicanism- 25%, Good People- 80%, United Nation- 60%, Freedom- 90%, Equality and Fairness- 50%, Philippines- 20%, Pampanga- 5%, Computer- 40%, Ragnarok- 10%, H/B- 30%, Instinct- 50%.
"I want to Serve God and Help People, I want to have a normal, simple and contented life, even though i am not perfect and there are problems with pains, i just want to be true and do what is right, for better life..." - James307
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "Is praying the rosary Scriptural?"
Answer: While much of what the prayer of the rosary contains is scriptural, the whole second half of the “Hail Mary” and portions of the “Hail, Holy Queen” are blatantly unbiblical. While the first part of the Hail Mary is almost a direct quotation from Luke 1:28, there is no scriptural basis for (1) praying to Mary now, (2) addressing her as “holy” Mary, or (3) calling her “our life” and “our hope.”
Is it right to call Mary “holy,” by which the Catholic Church means that Mary never sinned nor had any taint of original sin? The believers in the Bible were called “saints,” which can be interpreted as “set-apart ones” or “holy ones,” but the understanding of Scripture is that the righteousness that believers in Christ have is an imparted righteousness from Christ (2 Corinthians 5:21) and that while in this life, they are not yet sanctified from sin in practice (1 John 1:9-2:1). Jesus is called our Savior repeatedly in Scripture because He saved us from our sin. In Luke 1:47, Mary calls God her “Savior.” Savior from what? A sinless person does not need a Savior. Sinners need a Savior. Mary acknowledged that God was her Savior. Therefore, Mary was acknowledging that she was a sinner.
Jesus said that He came to save us from our sins (Matthew 1:21). The Roman Catholic Church claims that Mary was saved from sin differently from everyone else--that she was saved from sin through the immaculate conception (her being conceived free of sin). But is this teaching scriptural? The Roman Catholic Church openly admits that this teaching is not found in Scripture. When a young man addressed Jesus as “good Master” (Matthew 19:16-17), Jesus asks why he calls Him “good” since there is none good but one, God. Jesus was not denying His own deity, He was trying to make the young man aware that he was using the term too loosely without thinking about what he was saying. But Jesus’ point is still valid or He would not have said it--there is none good but God. This excludes all but God, including Mary! This ties in with Romans 3:10-23; Romans 5:12; and countless other passages that stress the fact that in God’s eyes no one measures up. Never is Mary ever excluded from such all-encompassing statements!
What of the question of praying to Mary or to anyone else besides God? We are never told in the Bible whether anyone else in heaven can even hear us. We do know that God alone is all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-present. Even the angels, with whatever great abilities they may have, seem to have their limitations and can’t always make it to help us as they might like (Daniel 10:10-14). When Jesus taught His disciples to pray, He gave them what is commonly called the “Our Father.” He teaches us to address our prayer to God. Whenever prayer is addressed to anyone, it is done to God! Never can you find a single example of someone praying to any “saint” or angel or anyone else (besides prayers to false gods). Further, any time that any pious person prostrates himself (in a religious setting) to honor someone else besides God (chiefly to the apostles or angels), he is told to get up, to stop it (Acts 10:25-26; Acts 14:13-16; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 19:10; Revelation 22:8-9). The Roman Catholic Church states that it worships God alone but that it “venerates” Mary and the saints. What is the difference? A person praying the rosary spends more time calling out to Mary than to God! For every one praise of God in the rosary, there are 10 praises of Mary!
The Bible states that Jesus is our Redeemer (Galatians 3:13; 4:4-5; Titus 2:14; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Revelation 5:9). The “Hail, Holy Queen” calls Mary our “most gracious advocate,” but the Bible calls Jesus our Advocate to the Father (1 John 2:1) and our one Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). The only time in Scripture that the title “Queen of Heaven” is found it is in a negative way (Jeremiah 7:17-19; 44:16-27). The whole of Scripture teaches us to pray to God alone. Never once can you find an example or admonition to pray to anyone else! The only basis for the idea of getting to God through Mary is the biblical story of Mary coming to Jesus to ask for his help at a wedding feast (John 2). But in light of all of the other verses, including Jesus’ own instruction on how we are to pray, is it taking this passage in context to use it to teach that we ought to continue to go through Mary to get to God?
Likewise, is it appropriate to call Mary our “life” and “hope”? Again, these are terms that are used of God alone in Scripture, particularly God the Son, Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Colossians 3:4; 1 Timothy 1:1; Ephesians 2:12; Titus 2:13). Thus, the practice of saying the rosary goes contrary to Scripture in a number of ways. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. The Bible nowhere instructs Christians to pray through intermediaries, or to petition saints or Mary (in Heaven) for their prayers.
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Last Edit: 2008/12/18 08:19 By Loneman20.
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My "World" survey and their contribution to us [100% fair percentage](People Choice, Life Mystery and Through History).
God- 90%, Israel- 20%, Jesus Christ- 70%, Christianity- 70%, KJV 1611 Bible- 30%, Baptist- 25%, Fundamentalism- 15%, Great Britain- 45%, America- 55%, Federalism- 15%, Republicanism- 25%, Good People- 80%, United Nation- 60%, Freedom- 90%, Equality and Fairness- 50%, Philippines- 20%, Pampanga- 5%, Computer- 40%, Ragnarok- 10%, H/B- 30%, Instinct- 50%.
"I want to Serve God and Help People, I want to have a normal, simple and contented life, even though i am not perfect and there are problems with pains, i just want to be true and do what is right, for better life..." - James307
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Question: "What is the immaculate conception?"
Answer: Many people mistakenly believe that the immaculate conception refers to the conception of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ conception was most assuredly immaculate…but this concept does not refer to Jesus at all. The immaculate conception is a doctrine of the Romans Catholic Church in regards to Mary, Jesus’ mother. An official statement of the doctrine reads, “…the blessed Virgin Mary to have been, from the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of Almighty God, in view of the merits of Christ Jesus the Savior of Mankind, preserved free from all stain of original sin.” Essentially the immaculate conception is the belief that Mary was protected from original sin, that Mary did not have a sin nature, and was, in fact, sinless.
The problem with the doctrine of the immaculate conception is that it is not taught in the Bible. The Bible nowhere describes Mary as anything but an ordinary human female whom God chose to be the mother of the Lord Jesus Christ. Mary was undoubtedly a godly woman (Luke 1:28). Mary was surely a wonderful wife and mother. Jesus definitely loved and cherished His mother (John 19:27). The Bible gives us no reason to believe that Mary was sinless. In fact, the Bible gives us every reason to believe that Jesus Christ is the only Person who was not “infected” by sin and never committed a sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:22; 1 John 3:5).
The doctrine of the immaculate conception originated out of confusion over how Jesus Christ could be born sinless if He was conceived inside of a sinful human female. The thought was that Jesus would have inherited a sinful nature from Mary had she been a sinner. In contrast to the immaculate conception, the Biblical solution to this problem is understanding that Jesus Himself was miraculously protected from being polluted by sin while He was inside Mary's womb. If God was capable of protecting Mary from sin, would He not be able to protect Jesus from sin? Therefore, Mary being sinless is neither necessary or Biblical.
The Roman Catholic Church argues that the immaculate conception is necessary because without it, Jesus would have been the object of His own grace. The thought goes like this – for Jesus to have been miraculously preserved from sin, which itself would be an act of grace, that would mean God essentially “graced Himself.” The word grace means “unmerited favor.” Grace is giving someone something he or she does not deserve. God performing a miracle in preserving Jesus from sin is not “grace.” In no sense could Jesus possibly be infected with sin. He was perfect and sinless humanity joined with sinless divinity. God cannot be infected or affected by sin, as He is perfectly holy. This same truth applies to Jesus. It did not take “grace” to protect Jesus from sin. Being God incarnate, Jesus was in His essence “immune” from sin.
So, the doctrine of the immaculate conception is neither Biblical or necessary. Jesus was miraculously conceived inside Mary, who was a virgin at the time. That is the Biblical concept of the virgin birth. The Bible does not even hint that there was anything significant about Mary’s conception. If we examine this concept logically, Mary’s mother would have to be immaculately conceived as well. How could Mary be conceived without sin if her mother was sinful? The same would have to be said of Mary’s grandmother, great-grandmother, and so on. So, in conclusion, the immaculate conception is not a Biblical teaching. The Bible teaches the miraculous virgin conception of Jesus Christ, not the immaculate conception of Mary.
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My "World" survey and their contribution to us [100% fair percentage](People Choice, Life Mystery and Through History).
God- 90%, Israel- 20%, Jesus Christ- 70%, Christianity- 70%, KJV 1611 Bible- 30%, Baptist- 25%, Fundamentalism- 15%, Great Britain- 45%, America- 55%, Federalism- 15%, Republicanism- 25%, Good People- 80%, United Nation- 60%, Freedom- 90%, Equality and Fairness- 50%, Philippines- 20%, Pampanga- 5%, Computer- 40%, Ragnarok- 10%, H/B- 30%, Instinct- 50%.
"I want to Serve God and Help People, I want to have a normal, simple and contented life, even though i am not perfect and there are problems with pains, i just want to be true and do what is right, for better life..." - James307
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 1 Week ago
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We are not worshiping them but we venerate them. Hindi mo kasi na-eexperience kaya kung ano ang naririnig mo yun lang ang pinaniniwalaan mo... PURO HEARSAY KA LANG!!!!
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 1 Week ago
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So ibig sabihin mo ay may mga 'sinundan' si Kristo??? Hmm... Alam mo ba na ang tawag pinsan o malapit na kamag-anak sa Hebreo ay "elohim" din (katulad ng tawag sa mga kapatid).
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 6 Months, 1 Week ago
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Ahh... Nalimutan ko pong ipost. Malayo ang Q&A's mo sa Subject... Sorry, folks. Wala pong kwenta yung mga pinost nya about the subject.
Fallacy of False arguments...
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tezza (User)
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Question: "Is prayer to saints / Mary Biblical?"
Answer: Nope
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The issue of Catholics praying to saints is one that is full of confusion. Saan doon ang hindi mo naintindihan? No wonder palipat-lipat ka ng belief.
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It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Catholics do not pray TO saints or Mary, but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them. Yes, it the official position of Catholic Church. The idea that they can't help us was a novel man-made notion invented 1500 years after the Catholic Church was founded by Christ
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but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them. the same way your pastor pray over you.
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The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that asking saints for their prayers is no different than asking someone here on earth to pray for you. just like your pastor pray for your quick recovery and healing.
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However, the practice of many Catholics diverges from official Roman Catholic teaching. Kaya nga dapat maging vigilant tayo, turuan natin ang mga hindi pa naka intindi.
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Many Catholics do in fact pray directly to saints and/or Mary, asking them for help – instead of asking the saints and/or Mary to intercede with God for help. see above answer.
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Whatever the case, whether a saint or Mary is being prayed to, or asked to pray, neither practice has any Biblical basis. says who?
The Bible says that the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. Who is more righteous than those in heaven?
But they are in heaven, we cannot communicate with them? Says who. The bible does not say that. Sure, we cannot have a conversation with them, but the Bible does imply that those in heaven do hear our prayers (Hebrews 12:1). Luke 16:19-30 speaks about a departed rich man interceded for his brothers. Revelations 5:8 tells us that the angels offer prayers for us to God.
We are all one Body (Eph 4:4, Col 3:15). If the Body of Christ on earth cannot communicate in some way with the Body of Christ in heaven, what would that be? Well when one part of the body cannot communicate with another part of the body that is called paralysis.
The Body of Christ is paralyzed? I think not.
We are all family and we are to love and help family members.
God's economy is that of family. It pleases Him to see family helping family, family praying for each other. God thus allows us to "pray", to ask for the prayers and assistance of our brothers and sisters who have gone on before us to heaven.
The Protestants will not likely believe any of this no matter what you say, so I advise not worrying about it, and certainly do not argue about it. Just state the faith and let God do the rest.
Just keep in mind that our separated brethren are disabled. They suffer from the disability of believing in man-made doctrines invented by arrogant men like Luther and Calvin, et al. It is not their fault usually since they grew-up with these false ideas. It clouds them from the truth.
One time when Martin Luther was messing with the Bible and changing words in Scripture to suit his own personal opinions that were not supported in the original text, he was asked by he did it. He said, " Because Dr. Martin Luther will have it so..." What a humble man. And that is the rock from which Protestantism was built.
don't sweat it. They are not likely to accept the biblical evidence, the history, or the reasoning of the Catholic teachings.
Buttomline: they are unbiblical man-made church. 
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Loneman20 wrote:
Question: "Is prayer to saints / Mary Biblical?"
Answer: Nope
Ate, I think this argument is wrong. As we define saints as "any of certain persons of exceptional holiness of life." (Source: dictionary.com) Saints are in heaven, right? We believe that their holiness led them straight to the Kingdom of God. Thus, referring to them as "Citizens of Heaven" along with the angels whom we refer also as "saints" (by the way, 'saint' can also translated as a holy being; e.g. St. Gabriel, St. Michael and St. Raphael: the three angels who appeared in the bible)!
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"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners but FELLOW CITIZENS WITH THE SAINTS and of the household of God."— Eph. 2:19
"And behold the angel of the Lord came upon him and a light shined in the prison; and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying: Arise up quickly. And his chains fell from his hands."— Acts 12:7
"Are they not all ministering spirits, set forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"— Heb. 1:14
"Likewise I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth."— LK. 15:10
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What do these passages tell us? That holy beings (or saints, considering the defenition) can intervene (within their limitations) in the salvation of people.
How can we contact them? Through prayers!
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but rather that Catholics can ask saints or Mary to pray FOR them.
the same way your pastor pray over you.
Then, as them being our brothers and sisters in heaven, they can pray-over for us.
Even our Early Fathers claimed this 'praying to saints'!
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago
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1) Catholics believe that saints pray and intercede for us in heaven and so we venerate them... Is there any proof that saints pray for us????
the saints in heaven offer to God the prayers of the saints on earth.
"the twenty-four elders [the leaders of the people of God in heaven] fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Rev. 5:8).
Angels do the same thing: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar [in heaven] with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God" (Rev. 8:3-4).
2) SAINTS??? DO THEY REALLY REALLY REALLY EXIST?? ARE THEY AS REAL AS MAN'S EXISTENCE HERE ON EARTH???? IS THERE ANY PROOF OF THEIR EXISTENCE???
"After six days Jesus took with Him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus."
The Transfiguration "Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters - one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah."
"While He was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is My Son, Whom I love; with Him I am well pleased. Listen to Him!"
"When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified. But Jesus came and touched them. "Get up," He said. "Don't be afraid." When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus."
"As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen, until The Son of Man has been raised from the dead."
(Matthew 17:1-9)
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MOSES AND ELIJAH?? AREN'T THEY DEAD?? YET THEY ARE ALIVE AND EXISTING... ON TOP OF THAT, THEY EVEN PARTICIPATED IN THE MISSION OF CHRIST TO SAVE MAN 2000 YEARS AGO BY BEING PRESENT IN CHRIST'S TRANSFIGURATION... Indeed they have a role in man's salvation and in our lives too. Our problems here on earth are their problems too. FOR DEAD OR ALIVE, WE ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST JESUS AND NO ONE CAN SEPARATE US FROM CHRIST, NOT EVEN BY DEATH...
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”
No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:35-39)
so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.(Romans 12:5)
3) Do we get anything out of venerating the Saints, who are supposed to be dead????? Do Catholics get graces from god by asking saints to pray for them???? Is there any proof???
"And as a man was being buried, behold, a marauding band was seen and the man was thrown into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet."
(2 Kings 13:21)
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THE BONES OF A DEAD SAINT ELISHA REVIVED A DEAD PERSON.- a miracle
THEREFORE.. BE CONFIDENT TO ASK FOR THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN TO PRAY FOR YOU, FOR SURELY THEY WILL HELP YOU NO MATTER WHAT, FOR THEY LOVE YOU JUST US JESUS LOVES YOU AND THEY DESIRE NOTHING MORE THAN TO BRING YOU CLOSER TO JESUS, OUR ONE AND ONLY SAVIOR.... THEIR PRAYERS ARE A SWEET SMELLING INCENSE OFFERED TO GOD
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Loneman20 wrote:
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We are not to bow down and worship anything in the form of heaven above or earth below (Exodus 20:4-5). Romans 1:25 could not be more clear, "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. .
"Then Joshua...fell to the ground on his face before the ark of the Lord until the evening" (Josh. 7, 6).
37:1 Bezalel made the ark of acacia wood, two cubits [1] and a half was its length, a cubit and a half its breadth, and a cubit and a half its height. 2 And he overlaid it with pure gold inside and outside, and made a molding of gold around it. 3 And he cast for it four rings of gold for its four feet, two rings on its one side and two rings on its other side. 4 And he made poles of acacia wood and overlaid them with gold 5 and put the poles into the rings on the sides of the ark to carry the ark. 6 And he made a mercy seat of pure gold. Two cubits and a half was its length, and a cubit and a half its breadth. 7 And he made two cherubim of gold. He made them of hammered work on the two ends of the mercy seat, 8 one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. Of one piece with the mercy seat he made the cherubim on its two ends. 9 T he cherubim spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, with their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat were the faces of the cherubim.(EXODUS 37:1-9)
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Re:Is "Hail Mary", biblical??? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago
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hmmm... Giving an importance to something doesn't mean you worship it! Action of someone can't be justifide of just an observation. Search it, know it, dig it, learn from it and especially Respect it!
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